Denny Hamlin wanted to provide a bit of transparency to the NASCAR appeals process after his hearing on Thursday, which is why he put out a bonus podcast thereafter.

“From my standpoint, I think it’s kind of simple to just say, ‘Well, you said this, but it obviously has to be that,’” said Hamlin. “But I thought I laid out what my argument was, and I made it (on the podcast) so that I could shed some light on what the process was, as well.

“I think when a lot of people hear the Kaulig Racing one, the Hendrick Motorsports one, and mine, a lot of people don’t know how it actually goes, and I tried to give some transparency to the people who don’t necessarily know. And I thought, as I stated, that it was a very fair process.”

Hamlin lost his appeal of the behavioral penalty NASCAR levied after his last-lap contact with Ross Chastain at Phoenix Raceway. The Joe Gibbs Racing driver was docked 25 driver points and fined $50,000.

In its penalty report, NASCAR cited attempting to manipulate a race, wrecking or spinning another vehicle, and actions detrimental to the sport. Hamlin admitted what he did to Chastain was intentional on his podcast, Actions Detrimental

, the day after the Phoenix race, which is what caught NASCAR’s attention and promoted a review after they initially didn’t think much of the incident.

In his podcast episode after the appeal, Hamlin said he broke down exactly what transpired at Phoenix with data to back it up. Hamlin argued that what took place at Phoenix was hard racing between two competitors, and all he did was not cut Chastain a break.

According to Hamlin, during the appeal, NASCAR also admitted they penalized him for his words and not his actions. During his presentation, Hamlin said he presented multiple examples of what race manipulation is (one example being Chase Elliott holding up Kevin Harvick to allow teammate Kyle Larson to catch and pass him at Bristol in 2021) and presented examples of retaliatory incidents.

“It was online, and then we did our own research,” Hamlin said. “I think it was important for my case to (show) here’s what has gotten penalized in the past and where mine, interestingly enough, didn’t belong on the pages because mine included no innocent bystanders, had no caution, no significant damage to the vehicles, no egregious driver inputs that showed right rear hooking.